Vergecast: Jony Ive leaving and public betas arriving

What a topical show we’ve got this week on The Vergecast. I’m going to be honest, there’s a little bit more editing than usual here.
Initially, we began the episode with some overviews of the public beta software for Apple’s iPadOS, iOS 13, and macOS Catalina. The Verge’s Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discussed what’s different with the updates and how the iPad feels now compared to using an iPhone. My favorite part is when Dieter questions what it